There shall ye live, and there shall ye die

On July 20, 1969, Armstrong landed the lunar module Eagle on the surface of the Moon with a companion, while the third astronaut orbited above. Certainly a great Leap for mankind and great achievement.

Muslims were quick to jump on this “miracle” from all sort of claims to prove either evidences of Moon Splitting were shown on Photos to Armstrong hearing Adhan on the surface of Moon. We can leave these to a side for the moment and focus on the Quranic revelation which is like a Prophecy mentioned in 07:25 which says and I quote;

“07:25 He said: “Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected).“

Allah the all knowing god tells the world that look Humans, you are restricted on the earth, you can not go out from it. Surely in 7th CE it made some sense to Desert Bedouins, but today we see this claim is totally false and crap. So much for a scripture who claimed to be revealed from a all knowing, might god.

And when we change a verse

One problematic aspect of Muslim theology is the subject of Nasikh and Mansukh verses in Quran. Quran itself hinted in many places, for example;

“16:101 And when We change a Verse [of the Qur'an, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allah knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar).” Nay, but most of them know not.” Hilali-Khan

or

“02:106 Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things? ” Hilali-Khan

Now one must be careful what has been said here. Allah himself canceling already revealed/manifested verses of Quran. There are several problem with this notion, first its has been said in Quran that Quran is been preserved prior to its revelation to Muhammad;

“85:22 In a guarded tablet.“

Lets say Allah allegedly revealed a particular verse to Muhammad, what was Muhammad mission to spread the word of his lord Allah, so He did and spoke about the revelation, people understood it, remember it. Perhaps months later or years later [as Quran is allegedly revealed in a period around 23 years] Allah revealed yet another verse, which was conflicting with the first one, so He ordered Muhammad to “Cancel” the previous verse and put in place the newly revealed verse.

Muhammad had to announce this yet again, but this time, He had to announce the cancellation of the previous verse ? Naturally people will noticed of this change and some would charge that He is making this whole thing up and a Liar; “they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)” ..

Muhammd was really put in a awkword position here, His Lord was not fair with him, I mean can not He fully thought a message prior to its revelation ? I mean sayings like think before speak was not that difficult to get ?

He may be angry, we don’t know for sure, But its quite possible. Specially when He received these lines from Allah;

“18:27 And recite what has been revealed to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Book (the Qur’an) of your Lord (i.e. recite it, understand and follow its teachings and act on its orders and preach it to men). None can change His Words, and none will you find as a refuge other than Him“

I can imagine His frustration !

In order to be fair I will analyze Muhammad here too, perhaps it was Muhammad’s own fault, perhaps, He was making things up, perhaps he had weak Memory.

“Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558:

Narrated Aisha:

Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget .”“

Perhaps it was too damaging for Muhammad to say, well I am just a Human, I might forgot some part of the revealed revelations, so He actually invented this thing up, He said it was Allah who caused Him to forget, how comforting ??

“87:6-7 By degrees shall we teach thee (Muhammad) to declare (the message), so thou shalt not forget, except as God wills “

But interestingly Muhammad’s own admission tells us that Part of Quran was simply forgotten because Muhammad forgot it ! What credence should we give to the “current version of Uthmanic codices” ?

Third possibility it was Muslim themselves who invented this whole Nasikh and Mansukh thing to rescue Quran and Muhammad from its apparent and clear cut contradictions ? Is it possible some zealot Muslim in past thought to invent this story by adding certain verses in Quran ?

Fourth possibility, Perhaps Muhammad himself thought to please Jews by borrowing Jews scriptures and call it Quran, so He can save some time ? Well on one stage He had very good relationship wit them, other wise He would never say such things;

“28:49 Say (to them, O Muhammad SAW): “Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these two [the Taurat (Torah) and the Qur'an], that I may follow it, if you are truthful.”“

But when they ignored Him, He turned against them, and Hence abrogation of old scriptures thing was came in action ?

What ever is the case, its damaging to Islam, certainly a well thought Book would never contain such confusion in it.

Qur’anic santions “You can be a Pedophile”

Readers may not be aware of the facts that Quran commands Muslims to be a Pedophile, in Islam you can marry young girls who are even so young that they do not have their Menstrual Periods yet and have sex with them !!

As we can assume, Muslims try to drag the debate around and try to  hide the facts, which are very clear by the way, but I thought, its good to present the clear picture of the readers and they can make their mind themselves. Below are the actual Quranic verses and their implication for your consideration.

“65:04 And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.“

The Tafsir of Ibn Abbas Taken from the following link
“(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.“

Now the thing is this seems to apply that Islam does allow to marry very young girls, who even not reach the age of puberty and the Tafsir of Ibn Abbas supports it. However, I asked before and the response I got it, was like, well they can marry, Islam do allow marriage of young girls, but you only make a Nikah and men should wait till Girl reach the age of puberty and then consummate the Marriage.

The problem with this notion is that Idat is only for those women who married and then have sexual contacts with their Husbands, that is the whole point, because if you do not have sexual contact, even after you married and got divorced, there is no Idat for women then !

Read the following verses

“33:49 O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no ‘Iddah [divorce prescribed period, see (V.65:4)] have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free i.e. divorce, in a handsome manner.“

The Tafsir of this verse say and I quote Link

“(O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women) without naming the amount of their dowry (and divorce them before ye have touched them) before you had sexual intercourse with them, (then there is no period that ye should reckon) by counting the months or the periods of menstruation. (But content them) as is due by divorce by giving them at least a scarf or shawl (and release them handsomely) divorce them without any harm done to them.“

Its pretty clear, Islam not even allow marriages of young girls, but its commanded by Allah clearly in Quran.

Response of crankthatskunk’s False Propeganda

Mr. Crankthatskunk wrote a web blog with the title;

“Heresies of the Quadianis Preface” Reference and Link of his page

In his web blog he went on to convey public that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, did not made error of Judgment or commit any Sins, specially relating to the story of Changing the Qibla from Al Quds in Israel to Mecca in current Saudi Arabia. In my response I expose the weak arguments and present the solid evidence from Quran itself that Muhammad was indeed wrong and there isno basis of such absurd belief which Mr. Crankthatskunk is spreading.

Its seems you[crankthatskunk] are totally deluded in your hate against Qadianies, you can certainly hate some one, but in order to hate some one, you are not allowed to distort the truth about Muhammad and his actions.

The story of Qibla !! Yes, the famous story of Qibla in which Muhammad used to worship Al-Quds, instead of Kaba ? was he wrong, or was he making a blunder and Allah has to wait so long to see may be Muhammad himself note his mistake and I may not have to correct him, but it seems that Muhammad was an ordinary man and did not get this point what he was doing, was totally wrong.

Now here is the Problem with Crankthatskunk’s point of view, Quran mentioned that the first place of worship was build by Allah in “Bekkah” or “Bakkah”, yes readers, its not “Mecca” or “Makkah”, but Muslims like Crankthatskunk belief it was an old name of Mecca, fine. First see the verse in question and see its implications

“03:96 Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Becca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples; ”

Here Allah is saying in clear words, that FIRST sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Becca !! pay attention to the words, FIRST, the very first, pehli, earliest. Yet Muhammad who was supposed to be the mightiest prophet of Islam and Allah was un aware of this fact ?

Here is the problem once again, Allah made first place of worship in Bekka which according to Muslim belief is in Mecca, but Allah did not stop Muhammad to worship toward Al Quds, a Jews center for 14 years ?? Was Allah wrong, or it was Muhammad’s fault ? or worst, this first sanctuary in Becca, was not meant for Mecca rather to Al Quds ?

It is a simple plain fact, Muhammad tried to appease Jews so he can attract them to his new religion which he invented, there are many reference from Hadiths which explain how Muhammad went to please them.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 222

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:

The Prophet came to Medina and saw the Jews fasting on the day of Ashura. He asked them about that. They replied, “This is a good day, the day on which Allah rescued Bani Israel from their enemy. So, Moses fasted this day.” The Prophet said, “We have more claim over Moses than you.” So, the Prophet fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast (on that day).

any many others, the point is simple, when Muhammad failed to attract Jews, he became hostile towards them, and hence we see a change in Qibla after 14 years of fruitless efforts of Allah and Muhammad. But the problem remains for Muslims to prove, if they say in 03:96, Allah meant Kaba, then how can Allah forgot to tell this very important fact to Muhammad ? According to Muslim Beliefs Muhammad was sinless, If he did not commit any mistake or sin, how would you justify Quranic verses in questions ?

There is no way out for Muslims here, Muhammad made errors and commit sins, while prostrating towards Al Quds, and who knows, these following reference were meant exactly for this purpose ! Read and enjoy.

“40:55 Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin, and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours. ”

“47:19 So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest. “

Message for Lahore Ahmadiyya Jama’at (LAM)

I was reading a link of LAM Website, where I stumbled upon an incredible and contradictory statements by “LAM Elders”, that LAM Berlin Mosque was not damaged during 2nd World War, despite the heavy shelling and bombing of allied air forces and later ground fight. Its an incredible claim, isn’t ? We should call it a Miracle !! As a matter of fact, LAM elders were quick to call it a Miracle. As stated here on this site

Quote “

The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement too has cause to remember that time and express gratitude to Almighty Allah, for its mosque situated in Berlin survived the terrible, wholesale destruction of the German Capital during and, especially, towards the end of the war.

” Un-quote

So if you further and scroll down a bit you will be amazed to see the real truth behind the so called Miracle. First we see the statement of LAM elder Dr. S.M. Abdullah Sahab who were boasting this miracle in these words

Quote “”It is nothing less than a miracle that the Berlin Mosque, which was built by the Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam, Lahore, in the year 1927 has survived the ravages of the war. Berlin has been destroyed, ruined and bombed in a manner unprecedented in the history of the world. That the Berlin Mosque where actual bombing, shelling and fighting has taken place should have escaped destruction is a clear sign of the hand of the Almighty God working behind the scene.” Un-quote

Okay, so we can see it was really a Miracle, well done LAM Sahaban, well done, but you know in order to lie you must use your intelligence and common sense, I will show you how stupid you were then and still are, that you did not even know to write a simple Miracle on a www.web page.

We go further down and see some other Miraculous writings of which are boasting this Miracle. Dr. S.M. Abdullah Sahab who were able to find the divine hand of Allah All Mighty, finally opened his eyes and wrote after couple of lines, this masterpiece, which is by the way self explanatory.

Quote ” It also shows the enthusiasm and devotion to Islam with which these new converts are imbibed. Six zealous women have worked five weeks repairing the damage to make the mosque fit again for congregational prayers …..” Un-quote

Excuse me ??? Few lines above same Dr. Sahab was telling us that it was a Hand of Allah the All mighty that Mosque actually survived the destruction and then contradicts himself immediately, while stating the fact that people actually spend “Five Weeks” to repair it ?? lol,

Any way, we can give Dr. Sahab a chance, may be he was under the influence of something, while writing such things, however, lets see explore the same page further, to see what other LAM elders are saying about the so called Miracle of Berlin Mosque !! We go further to discover that..!!

Quote “Beneath this is a report headed Berlin Mosque’s S.O.S., which is reproduced below:

“Maulana Muhammad Ali, Head of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, has issued an appeal for funds for the repair of the Berlin Mosque, which was damaged in the last phase of the war when Nazi resistance took the form of street fighting. When after victory the Allied forces entered Berlin, the Mosque was found littered with the dead bodies of Nazi youth.

“According to the estimate received from a Berlin architect the repairs will cost Rs. 92,000, prices and wages having risen four times compared to pre-war rates. The appeal gives two photographs — one showing the Mosque as it originally stood, the other in its present damaged condition. Should this S.O.S. from this House of God bestir the heart of any son of Islam and he would like to see this sole beacon of Light Divine in the dark heart of Christian Europe restored to its original dignity, he may send his contribution to the Financial Secretary, Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam, Lahore.”

” Un-Quote

Now is it not clear that the elders of LAM are cleaver people ?? Dher Hoshiar !! I guess, I have some questions for them. Was that mosque destroyed during the war or not ? a yes or no answer will be enough. Was the the survival of this mosque a miracle of divine help ? Yes or No ?? Was the mosque been repaired ? Yes or No ?? Was the money was collected to repair the Mosque, which was not even damage a bit ? if this was the case, then where did this money go ??

This story did not end here, my dear friends. Lets assume for a second that Mosque was survived and it was really a “Miracle” ! if LAM elders were quick to boast it as a Miracle then what they say about the mosque (Masjid-e-Ikhlas) in Band Ache, Indonesia, which survived the Tsunami !! was that a Miracle of your standards ?

Now you all LAM including your elder should honour your own words and became Muslims, if you think this mosque was not an Ahmadi Mosque ! Was that a Miracle or just another coincidence ??

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Confusion of Qur’an, Intercession or No Intercession ??

According to my independent view, this doctrine (Intercession) in Islam is extremely confused, it seems that the author of Quran is confused regarding few things about intercession. Now the question comes, do we need intercession ? Lets see the Quran for a moment.

010.018 YUSUFALI: They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: “These are our intercessors with Allah.” Say: “Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!“

Lets see the tafsir of this verse. (Tafsir Ibn Abbas)

“(They worship) i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca (beside Allah that which neither hurteth them) in this life or in the Hereafter, if they did not worship it, (nor profiteth them) in this life or in the Hereafter if they worshipped it, (and they say: These) i.e. these idols (are our intercessors) which will intercede for us (with Allah. Say) to them, O Muhammad: (Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth) i.e. He knows there does not exist a god who hurts and benefits except Him? (Praised be He) He exalted Himself far above having a son or partner (and high exalted above) and absolves Himself from (all that ye associate (with Him)) of idols!“

Now as you can see that Allah is very clear about His knowledge about Heavens and Earth, literally He is telling Muhammad that He knows everything, and He does not require any intercessor in order to get some information. This is logical, as if God knows everything, then its stupidity to think that He will ever require intercession from a lesser being, like humans in order to make any decisions. There are some other verses in Quran which negate the possibility of intercession. Lets see some of them.

“002.254 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.”

“002.048 YUSUFALI: Then guard yourselves against a day when one soul shall not avail another nor shall intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped (from outside). “

so from these verses its absolutely clear that there will be no intercession, but there is one problem, there are some verses which actually contradict this reality.

“020.109 YUSUFALI: On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by (Allah) Most Gracious and whose word is acceptable to Him. “

“010.003 YUSUFALI: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition? “

So first of all, will there be intercession or there will not be any intercession ? why the author of Quran is confused about this important issue ? and will some one please enlighten me that why a perfect God who knows everything, is getting  help in order to make decisions ? is there anything, which He does not know so far ?

I intended to write on this issue further, however, I think in order to see the Quranic confusion, its a good start. Let us see what the Islamists say about it.