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March 25, 2009

Qur’anic santions “You can be a Pedophile”

Filed under: Response to Mr. Crankthatskunk — sumuque @ 2:59 am

Readers may not be aware of the facts that Quran commands Muslims to be a Pedophile, in Islam you can marry young girls who are even so young that they do not have their Menstrual Periods yet and have sex with them !!

As we can assume, Muslims try to drag the debate around and try to  hide the facts, which are very clear by the way, but I thought, its good to present the clear picture of the readers and they can make their mind themselves. Below are the actual Quranic verses and their implication for your consideration.

65:04 And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

The Tafsir of Ibn Abbas Taken from the following link
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.

Now the thing is this seems to apply that Islam does allow to marry very young girls, who even not reach the age of puberty and the Tafsir of Ibn Abbas supports it. However, I asked before and the response I got it, was like, well they can marry, Islam do allow marriage of young girls, but you only make a Nikah and men should wait till Girl reach the age of puberty and then consummate the Marriage.

The problem with this notion is that Idat is only for those women who married and then have sexual contacts with their Husbands, that is the whole point, because if you do not have sexual contact, even after you married and got divorced, there is no Idat for women then !

Read the following verses

33:49 O you who believe! When you marry believing women, and then divorce them before you have sexual intercourse with them, no ‘Iddah [divorce prescribed period, see (V.65:4)] have you to count in respect of them. So give them a present, and set them free i.e. divorce, in a handsome manner.

The Tafsir of this verse say and I quote Link

(O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women) without naming the amount of their dowry (and divorce them before ye have touched them) before you had sexual intercourse with them, (then there is no period that ye should reckon) by counting the months or the periods of menstruation. (But content them) as is due by divorce by giving them at least a scarf or shawl (and release them handsomely) divorce them without any harm done to them.

Its pretty clear, Islam not even allow marriages of young girls, but its commanded by Allah clearly in Quran.

December 16, 2008

Response of crankthatskunk’s False Propeganda

Mr. Crankthatskunk wrote a web blog with the title;

Heresies of the Quadianis PrefaceReference and Link of his page

In his web blog he went on to convey public that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, did not made error of Judgment or commit any Sins, specially relating to the story of Changing the Qibla from Al Quds in Israel to Mecca in current Saudi Arabia. In my response I expose the weak arguments and present the solid evidence from Quran itself that Muhammad was indeed wrong and there isno basis of such absurd belief which Mr. Crankthatskunk is spreading.

Its seems you[crankthatskunk] are totally deluded in your hate against Qadianies, you can certainly hate some one, but in order to hate some one, you are not allowed to distort the truth about Muhammad and his actions.

The story of Qibla !! Yes, the famous story of Qibla in which Muhammad used to worship Al-Quds, instead of Kaba ? was he wrong, or was he making a blunder and Allah has to wait so long to see may be Muhammad himself note his mistake and I may not have to correct him, but it seems that Muhammad was an ordinary man and did not get this point what he was doing, was totally wrong.

Now here is the Problem with Crankthatskunk’s point of view, Quran mentioned that the first place of worship was build by Allah in “Bekkah” or “Bakkah”, yes readers, its not “Mecca” or “Makkah”, but Muslims like Crankthatskunk belief it was an old name of Mecca, fine. First see the verse in question and see its implications

03:96 Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Becca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples;

Here Allah is saying in clear words, that FIRST sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Becca !! pay attention to the words, FIRST, the very first, pehli, earliest. Yet Muhammad who was supposed to be the mightiest prophet of Islam and Allah was un aware of this fact ?

Here is the problem once again, Allah made first place of worship in Bekka which according to Muslim belief is in Mecca, but Allah did not stop Muhammad to worship toward Al Quds, a Jews center for 14 years ?? Was Allah wrong, or it was Muhammad’s fault ? or worst, this first sanctuary in Becca, was not meant for Mecca rather to Al Quds ?

It is a simple plain fact, Muhammad tried to appease Jews so he can attract them to his new religion which he invented, there are many reference from Hadiths which explain how Muhammad went to please them.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 222

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:

The Prophet came to Medina and saw the Jews fasting on the day of Ashura. He asked them about that. They replied, “This is a good day, the day on which Allah rescued Bani Israel from their enemy. So, Moses fasted this day.” The Prophet said, “We have more claim over Moses than you.” So, the Prophet fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast (on that day).

any many others, the point is simple, when Muhammad failed to attract Jews, he became hostile towards them, and hence we see a change in Qibla after 14 years of fruitless efforts of Allah and Muhammad. But the problem remains for Muslims to prove, if they say in 03:96, Allah meant Kaba, then how can Allah forgot to tell this very important fact to Muhammad ? According to Muslim Beliefs Muhammad was sinless, If he did not commit any mistake or sin, how would you justify Quranic verses in questions ?

There is no way out for Muslims here, Muhammad made errors and commit sins, while prostrating towards Al Quds, and who knows, these following reference were meant exactly for this purpose ! Read and enjoy.

40:55 Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin, and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours. ”

“47:19 So know (O Muhammad) that there is no God save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women. Allah knoweth (both) your place of turmoil and your place of rest.

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